Wednesday, January 25, 2006

I want to hear your FB stories

After the response to the FB post from earlier this week, I don't have any FB stories that can compare...emphasis on the 'story' part of it. I have the data but I don't have the story which gives it that extra 'oomph' so that you, the reader, can relate. It's just data and numbers...and that isn't interesting unless there is something you can relate to. How many of you can relate to a 576 FICO score? How many of you can relate to a husband and wife expecting a new born, and the financial impact of it all? Yeah, that is what I thought.

Based on the e-mails I received and the 80+ comments on the thread, I know that quite a few people related to our possible FB situation a few days ago. I think that adds much more value than me just stating the data about a particular scenario. That thread was a great learning experience for everybody involved. So that said, I want to hear from more of you! It not only helps out the person in question, but it helps out the thousands of people (yes, thousands...everyday) that read this blog. It also helps the people that make comments feel good...who doesn't like to help somebody in a time of need?!?!?

I received several e-mails from readers that printed the post and replies, and were passing it along to friends or family members that were in need of help. Some of these people were in similar situations, and some were ABOUT to get into a similar situation. I had one reader specifically e-mail me because they cancelled an offer on a property because of that post. They were about to get an 100% loan with interest-only to buy a fixer upper condo. After the mortgage, they wouldn't have had any money to fix it up, and they had no plan for what to do in 24 months when the ARM would have adjusted.

If you, or somebody you know is in a tight spot, send me an e-mail. Things will be kept completely anonymous. We have all sorts of experts in various fields that are reading this blog on a daily basis. Some of them pass me e-mails which I then pass to the person in need of help. The potential FB can do what they wish with the information.

Send e-mail to: socalmtgguy@gmail.com

That said, I want to share something interesting from a reader. This reader was telling me all about their situation. After they told me about their finances...they put this in parentheses:

--(yes, I always plot out several years on a spreadsheet and every month tracking my expenses to see if I'm on track to my goals - call me paranoid or weird but it makes me feel good)--

In my reply back to the reader I said:

--On a side note, isn't it ironic that you call yourself "paranoid or weird" for keeping a budget and tracking your spending? That just goes to show you the stigma in society about being financially responsible. It shouldn't be that big of a deal that people budget and save. But it is just easier to spend today, and not worry about tomorrow. "I'll worry about that when the time comes..." is going to bite thousands of people in the butt.--

They replied:

--I never actually looked at it from that angle before but now that I think about it, it is somewhat funny and disturbing that I have to explain away my spreadsheets and budgeting as an eccentricity to family and friends....--

So what do YOU think? Isn't a little bit weird that people have to hide the fact, or feel 'weird' about budgeting their money? I'm not kidding here. I have talked to brokers that made 50k in a 2-week paycheck, and 2 weeks later they tell me they are busting butt because they only have 10k left in savings! They have the cars, the clothes, the shoes, the jewelry, etc, but they don't have a budget!!!

If you haven't read the Millionaire Next Door, I suggest you check it out. Most 'real' millionaires have, and stick to, their budget. It shouldn't be anything to feel embarassed about. I guess people feel like the 'rich' have so much money that they don't worry about little things like 'budgets'. Boy are they wrong...

I look forward to the e-mails, comments, and stories!

SoCalMtgGuy

50 Comments:

Blogger Jim A said...

Bugeting is kind of like dieting. What us guys would like is a girlfriend who is effortlessley thin, neither overweight nor obsessivly counting calories.

1/26/2006 3:39 AM  
Blogger Dorothea said...

What us gals would like is for our boyfriends to grow the hell up.

Anyway.

When I moved to the DC area (selling the house I'd lived in for seven years, and YES it sold and YES we had to cut the price and YES I'm still glad it's over), I pulled out the old red budget ledger again. Hadn't used it for a few years, because I had a very strong sense of what our income and expenses were, knew they were within reasonable limits, and was quite willing to let it go.

Now I'm tracking again, because it's a big life change and I needed to know. I know for certain now that we can't afford to buy something here that we would consider livable. Fine, that's great, hard-number, no-emotions support for continuing to rent. I don't even need to think about that now; it's just fact.

And I also know that I don't have to worry about my husband taking his time on his dissertation, because we're squirreling away a few hundred every month (over and above what my employer stashes away for my retirement). Which is a relief.

Financial tracking provides reassurance. Safety, of a sort. I don't know why it isn't advocated that way.

1/26/2006 3:58 AM  
Blogger Blissful Ignoramus said...

I think a lot of people -- myself included -- assume that because we are good at managing the RED that we are doing okay. And fact is, if you keep yourself from getting into big-time consumer debt or a ridiculous mortgage, you probably are okay.

But an important aspect of budgeting is managing the BLACK side as well: squirrelling away a certain percentage of your income for both short- and long-term goals. I know I need to do a better job of this, and I've decided that this is my New Year's Resolution: Put away 10% of my household income, every month, into conservative investments.

1/26/2006 4:28 AM  
Blogger grim said...

Isn't this just the American Way (tm)?

The nerds got picked on in grammar school for wanting to learn and being good in academics. This illustrates the American disrespect for intelligence.

The students that were passionate about their major in college were made fun of by their peers for staying in and studying, wanting to learn, while they were out partying. Illustrates the American disrespect for responsibility.

The fiscally responsible get made fun of by the Big Spenders (tm) for being tightwads and cheap. This illustrates the American disrespect for thrift and frugalness.

This country is based on wanton spending with no regard for responsibility, thrift, or intelligence. These memes have become so commonplace they now define our culture, and drag it down.

Don't think so? Heck, even the chief economist of the NAR thinks so..

"If you paid your mortgage off, it means you probably did not manage your funds efficiently over the years. It's as if you had 500,000 dollar bills stuffed in your mattress. [It's] very unsophisticated."

It's unbelievable how these memes have permeated through our society turning us into wasteful, reckless spenders with no sense of responsibility or debt.

Caveat Emptor,
Grim

1/26/2006 4:32 AM  
Blogger David said...

Grim,

Excellent Post. I fully agree. Paying off a 2000$ LCD TV over 4 years seems absurd (I wouldn't even by one at that price). One of my coworkers who earns a very solid salary of 65K a year bought a used car and is paying 17% interest on it bc of his bad credit.

The rampannt culture of crass materialism is very disturbing.


David
Bubble Meter Blog

1/26/2006 5:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In a corrupt unethical industry there are always others that do the right thing. Thanks for your help and honesty about the current housing situation.

1/26/2006 5:29 AM  
Blogger mtnrunner2 said...

Yesterday I was talking with a man who'd just bought a house in SD a year ago. His wife said they had better get something, before they are completely priced out. He tried to refinance just recently, to pull out $80K for his business, but after the prepayment penalty of $11K, wouldn't have enough left. He says he had a fixed mortgage. But then why a prepayment penalty? Anyway, he could be one of the new stories: borrowers who want to refinance, but the equity is not there or the interest rates have gone up and the payment would be too high. SoCalMtgGuy, do you think there is a story in having done less business lately, or is this a seasonal trend?

As for budgets, despite my reading this blog, I'm a budget blower. I love to buy nice clothes, and I have paid off my credit cards through various windfalls every 3 years. That's why I had to put my housing sale profits into a CD right away so I wouldn't spend it all. I'm a typical consumer (but w/ used cars and one $80 and one $350 TV), so no gloating from me about the FBs. If I wasn't so risk averse, I would be an FB myself.

1/26/2006 6:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shocking.

"...experts say the abrupt reversal of fortune in the desert, where the mainstream residential real estate and hotel markets are still quite healthy, shows just how quickly the odds can change in even the most affluent markets if runaway speculation and overzealous development take hold."

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1152983,00.html

1/26/2006 6:55 AM  
Blogger Lou Minatti said...

David,

Paying off a 2000$ LCD TV over 4 years seems absurd (I wouldn't even by one at that price).

There's no doubt in my mind that you'll be able to find used plasma HDTV's at many garage sales. Remember the mindset of many of these people: Cash savings is dumb, hard assets can always be sold when times are tough. Look for a firesale on this stuff - Hummers, HDTVs, jewelry, you name it. Pawn shops will be in great demand the next few years.

I'll buy a plasma wide-screen HDTV when I see one at a garage sale for $200. Bet we'll see those soon.

1/26/2006 7:38 AM  
Blogger Pointlines said...

Socal:

OT: Saw this and immediately thought of this blog...

US banks seek more mortgage proposal comment time
Wed Jan 25, 2006 04:25 PM ET
WASHINGTON, Jan 25 (Reuters) - Lenders this week asked U.S. regulators to extend a comment period on a proposal that urged tighter underwriting on new mortgage products that may pose greater risks for banks and borrowers as interest rates rise.
Comments were due Feb. 27, but lenders have asked the Federal Reserve and other regulators for 30 more days.

rest of the story at:

http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh35558_2006-01-25_21-25-08_n25288575_newsml

1/26/2006 7:40 AM  
Blogger Wes D said...

I'm doing a lot better than a few years ago but I still do not keep a paper budget. I know this is my biggest issue right now.

Consumerism has gone awry. Friends show off their new cars and SUV's every year, and I show off my titles to my paid off rides.

Someone remarked that my entertainment center looked like I got it at a pawn shop and I replied "close, thanks to open box Best Buy items".

This society hold no value for anything that is not brand new.

I couldn't help but laugh at the comment regarding college kids studying and being referred to as geeks. Many of those geeeks will wind up running the workplaces in the future.

Instead of losing 20% per year on a new car I'm putting that money into a grad degree. Guess I'm missing out on the consumerism boat once again???

1/26/2006 8:08 AM  
Blogger sanjosescrazy said...

Well, I was at one time pretty good at ringing up those CC bills. I woke up in 2001 when the company I worked for went belly up and I had to take a 40% paycut. Since then I went from spending 10% over what I made, to now (with my wife working) saving 60% of after-tax income. (We budget as though she makes nothing, with 15% of my income saved)

Sure, we could afford a nice house in Silly Valley and be chained into a DINKY situation. But as our pal JC said, I'm not burying my talents, and soon enough we'll have a nice place with our old cars, with no such DINKY chain.

1/26/2006 9:11 AM  
Blogger Riskbabe said...

There was another thread a few days ago about "bling bling" that really made sense. More amd more consumers are being sold a conspicuous consumption lifestyle, and the consumers are getting younger and younger. I agree with the comment someone else made about feeling uncomfortable with family and friends knowing you budgeted your money, but what about your grandparents? Mine are the BIGGEST advocates of my natural thriftiness and praise me for living within my means, because they can take at least partial credit for it. I am 40, and am a Risk Manager at a very large lender in SoCal. I get the see the CREAM of the FB's everyday when some sharp underwriter brings a deal to my desk that doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell, and asks me to "make it go away" because the broker is trying to shoehorn 2 25 year old Walmart employees into a $400K property and charge upwards of 4 points for the favor of his "help".

My 22 year old house guest (a friend I met at work) has no concept of a budget or living within one's means. He is a wanton follower of the "if you have to ask, you can't afford it" lifestyle, even though he is behind on his Rubicon payments, had his insurance cancelled, he still needs to be the first on his block to sport the newest pair of $250.00 Gucci sunglases. He was forced to cash out his 401K to give his half of rent and groceries and is consistently negative in the bank account. He turns his nose up at my affinity for coupons and walking to the local restraunts, rather than driving 3 blocks to pay for valet.
Do you think he had a chance before he was bombarded with all the messages about a lifestyle that is unattainable to most people? Where were the balancing forces of the universe telling this little guy that all that excess was make-believe and to use your head? What happened to teaching values when it comes to your finances and lifestyle?

1/26/2006 10:19 AM  
Blogger S Crow said...

Domino's are-a-falling!

We were set to close a home sale in the Seattle Metro area tomorrow, Friday.

Imploded. Why? The buyers of the home here failed to close on their own sale in another state (they were using the proceeds of that sale to purchase in Seattle-Metro area).....guess which state? I know, suspense is getting to everyone.

Drum roll please....California
City....San Diego

Why did their deal fail? Their buyer walked away,lost earnest money, on an all cash sale. Perhaps they see the light on prices in San Diego.

To say California's market does not affect other states...think again.

TK
Legacy Escrow Service
Washington State

1/26/2006 10:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow. You sound like a unemotional snob.
NOT!
Congrats on your situation. splurging on a newer S-500 cuz I couldn't pass up the deal. other than that, living within your means is not about sacrificing, but just making a rational financial plan.
Lots of those "I want it now folks" will be walking the streets homeless soon.

1/26/2006 10:43 AM  
Blogger san mateo baby! said...

Who would pay off a $2000 TV over 4 years when you can get 12 months interest free?

I did this then paid off the entire loan balance 2 weeks before it was due. Didn't cost me a penny. If any portion of the balance went a day over 12 months I would have been hit for 12 months interest on the entire amount at over 20%.

The real scam here is that doing exactly this lowered my FICO score. I am convinced this score is not a measure of your ability to pay but instead a measure of your 'profitability' as a borrower.

1/26/2006 11:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Greedy realtors
Are they offering those realtors 6% commission now? 6% commission will make those realtors even more greedy. Many of them owns several houses and drive lexus, BMW and Mercedes. I believe some of them are the flippers and push the housing price higher and higher. I was trying to offer a house without bring my buyer's agent which could give the seller's agent extra 3% commission, but she does not even want to negotiate to give up a penny of her total 6%commission.
SOOOOO greedy!

1/26/2006 11:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know the answer to the following.

If someone takes out an ARM or IO
for 100% financing, is there an acceleration clause in the mortgage that could require increased performance on the part of the debtor in the event the value of the mortgaged home fell too much.

For instance, if someone 100% financed a $400,000 house, if the mkt value of the home falls 25%, 30%, 50% below the loan amount, will the debtor be required to put up more cash, pay more per month, pledge some other asset, etc.
I'm thinking there might be some lurking "maintenance" requirement which is part and parcel of getting these risky loans.

1/26/2006 12:14 PM  
Blogger Scott said...

Name one long-term, successful business that has been run without using a budget to forecast income and expenses.

... waiting ...

Yeah, not one.

Now why in the world would someone want to run their personal finances without a budget? I don't see budgets as a geeky thing or a compulsive thing, but as a NECCESSITY for financial success in life.

1/26/2006 12:31 PM  
Blogger Subsonic22 said...

Does anyone know the answer to the following.

If someone takes out an ARM or IO
for 100% financing, is there an acceleration clause in the mortgage that could require increased performance on the part of the debtor in the event the value of the mortgaged home fell too much.


Typically, no. As long as the borrower is making the payments as agreed, the lender can't take action against the borrower. Why would the lender want to take action anyway? Better to hope the borrower can pay the loan back instead of having to sell at a loss. Maybe in the future, ARM's and IO's will transfer that deflation risk to the buyer.

If a lender gives someone 100% IO financing, especially without verifying their income, they deserve the losses. I can't believe how irresponsible some of these lenders are. Anything to keep the numbers going.

1/26/2006 12:48 PM  
Blogger loonofficer said...

Hi SoCal,

I was going to suggest that you address the prevalence of f'd loan officers, account execs et al and, sure enough..... here it is!!!

A lot of us have made great money in the last few years but it never ceases to amaze me how some of my colleagues just spend, spend, spend on the bling, bling, bling!

You would think that the very nature of our job would teach us something about fiscal responsibility but oh no.... anything but.

As the market changes many companies, mine included, are more than likely to change their bonus structure.... if not on the commission split then on the back end so that the house collects more and the l.o. has to charge more up front.

Everybody I know in this business is whining about how hard it is getting to "make deals stick": Low appraisals, PPPs on existing loans that blow the deal, etc.

What is worse is that they are sweating bullets because they are likely to make less this year than last. Why on earth would they think that the times we've seen these past few years would continue forever? More importantly: Why are they sweating??? Because they HAD to buy the merc/beamer/Lexus/Hummer. They Had to have the designer socks, the namebrand napkins and the custom-fitted underwear to complement their lifestyle and now they, too are swimming in debt.
Then there are those of us who simply stockpiled and took comfort from the simple things in life: seeing our bank balances grow.
If my company closed shop tomorrow, I could live comfortably for the next year or two while I implemented the plan B I've been working on for the past three years.
Sad how few of my peers have even thought about preparing for the inevitable changes of tomorrow.

1/26/2006 2:04 PM  
Blogger Riskbabe said...

MEMO

To: Loonofficer
From: Riskbabe

But "Greed is Good", right?

1/26/2006 2:16 PM  
Blogger loonofficer said...

Riskbabe:

Greed is fine....

as long as you can stand a formidable ass-kick somewhere down the line.

1/26/2006 2:44 PM  
Blogger Subsonic22 said...

I heard a story about a loan officer I used to work with. This person has refied their home something like 3 or 4 times in the past year or two. They might be an FB but they be caught dead driving anything less than a Mercedes.

1/26/2006 3:12 PM  
Blogger Riskbabe said...

Loonofficer:
And from where do you predict this corrective ass-kicking will come from? How will it manifest itself?

1/26/2006 3:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the blog SoCalMtgGuy.

Like the doctor recently sued for telling his overweight patient that she was obese, it has become taboo to discuss budgets, planning and risk analysis when discussing people's spending habits, even with respect to major purchases such as a house.

The analysis for most people has been reduced to a simple question: Do you want to buy the [house, car, tv, etc.]?

It's been a long time since I heard people discuss retirement accounts, savings, college funds, budgets and planning. It made some sense, strategically, to factor in recent home appreciation to justify other spending--provided your financial house was in order. But now that the run of double-digit appreciation appears to be over, the term "house poor" appears poised for a comeback.


I had the following discussion with a family-member mtg broker 2 years ago re refinancing my home:

Me: I found a 15 year, 4.75% fixed rate loan. If you can beat it or come close, I will take the loan from you.

Family member: An I/O loan will cut your monthly payment in half, improving your cashflow. Also, you should consider cashing out some of your equity to pay bills, buy a new car or provide you with some additional spending money. These loans are much better options for you, and this is the path that everyone of my clients is taking.

Me: “Everyone” is an idiot. Besides, I don’t have any other debt to pay off and I don’t need a new car.

Family Member: It must be nice. Not everyone is lucky enough to make the kind of money you make.

Me: No, I just spend less than I make.

1/26/2006 4:14 PM  
Blogger loonofficer said...

riskbabe-

I never predict. I just prepare for the worst as it's always a possibility, no matter how remote.

Greed often has a way of catching up with people one way or the other.

.....don't get me started on kharma.

The next few years will see many mom and pop broker shops whither and die OR be bought out by bigger beasts. Lending standards will tighten up.It will be harder to "make loans doable for a mirror-fogger".
Many ex-car dealers who are now originating will go back to selling cars. If they have a degree they'll probably venture into pharmaceutical sales.
The realtors are the ones who are really going to feel it, though. If they're sensible they'll get into debt counselling.
The lending party is ending. It's that simple. Guys like me who love what we do will make it through and use the down time as a way to learn how to become even better at what we do.
Those who simply came on board for the quick and easy money will check out and chase the next big thing.

1/26/2006 4:30 PM  
Blogger loonofficer said...

< Acknowledges the irony of stating how he never predicts before mouthing off on a long foretelling of things to come.

1/26/2006 4:34 PM  
Blogger Riskbabe said...

WOW! Your own family tried to make a buck off you with a cash out refi? Good for you standing your ground.

1/26/2006 4:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

latest laugher from the mail today:

at - mtg, if you have equity, we have a loan for you

less than perfect credit-no problem
late on mtg payments-ok
bankruptcy accepted
tax liens and judgements allowed
late payments

low income w-2 employees and retired individuals receive special consideration
no need to document income at all
no w-2's, 1099's, or 1040 tax returns necessary

business owners-our expertise ensures your loan gets done correctly
we do not want your tax returns or bank statements
don't have a business license-ok
new business owners welcome

this was VERBATIM from the mailing

and i get an average of 1-2 of these a day in my mailbox

i am a latecomer to the party (bought sept 04) and am biting my nails along with the rest of the potential FB'S until my loan unlocks later this year, but some of these loan ads...yikes

wondering if i do refi into a 30/fixed will the mtg junk mail stop

1/26/2006 5:18 PM  
Blogger San Francisco Renter said...

One tool that has helped me a lot with budgeting is Microsoft Money. No I do NOT work for Microsoft, but I am putting in a shameless plug for this product regardless because it has helped me out immensely. It will connect to your various financial institutions and download your data automatically so you can track your spending electronically and compare it against an electronic budget you can also set up.

So if you've got a bling bling addiction this could be your cure. My (admittedly meager) net worth has risen dramatically since I started keeping track of everything electronically. My two cents.

1/26/2006 6:00 PM  
Anonymous Elizabeth said...

The myth of overspending obscures the real problem

Elizabeth Warren and Amelia Warren Tyagi

8 On April 20, 2005, George W. Bush signed into law a bankruptcy bill that had been pending in Congress for eight years. The bill was written by credit-industry lobbyists, shopped to their friends in Congress, and supported by tens of millions of dollars in lobbying and campaign contributions. It might be dismissed as just one more piece of highly focused special-interest legislation except for the damaging vision of middle-class America that it reinforced: irresponsible people consumed by appetites for goods they don’t need, who think little of cost, and who would rather file for bankruptcy than repay their lawful debts. More than just a giveaway to the credit-card companies, the bill was a moral judgment against the bankrupt.

As American families have sunk deeper into debt, they have endured relentless criticism from economists and sociologists, lobbyists and politicians, and the popular media. The accusations are sharp, the assertions are confident and unambiguous, and the tone of condemnation is unmistakable.

The economist Robert Frank claims that America’s new “luxury fever” forces middle-class families “to finance their consumption increases largely by reduced savings and increased debt.” The documentary filmmaker John de Graaf, the Duke economics professor Thomas Naylor, and the former EPA analyst David Wann write in Affluenza: The All-Consuming Epidemic (2001), “It’s as if we Americans, despite our intentions, suffer from some kind of Willpower Deficiency Syndrome.” The economist Juliet Schor, a frequently cited documenter of consumer irresponsibility, writes that American families are buying “designer clothes, a microwave, restaurant meals, home and automobile air conditioning, and, of course, Michael Jordan’s ubiquitous athletic shoes, about which children and adults both display near-obsession.”

Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) has said that millions of Americans are bankrupt or near-bankrupt because “they run up huge bills and then expect society to pay for them.” He is joined by the federal judge Edith Jones—long rumored to be a potential Bush appointee to the Supreme Court—who has written (with the law professor Todd J. Zywicki) that “bankruptcy is increasingly seen as a big ‘game,’ with the losers being those who live within their means, while the bankrupts pursue more interesting and carefree lives.”

The press sounds the same notes. Newsweek ran a cover story in 2001 about Americans drowning in debt. The reason for families’ distress? “Frivolous shopping is part of the problem: many debtors blame their woes squarely on Tommy, Ralph, Gucci, and Prada.” Money magazine, in 1990, focused on the home: “A generation or so ago . . . a basic, 800-square-foot, $8,000 Levittown box with a carport was heaven. . . . By the 1980s, the dream had gone yupscale. Home had become a 6,000-square-foot contemporary on three acres or a gutted and rehabbed townhouse in a gentrified ghetto.”

And what have Americans gotten for all their spending? Schor writes that as the brand-name competition among neighbors has intensified, “support for public goods, and for paying taxes, has eroded”—“public goods” that include “education, social services, public safety, recreation, and culture.” De Graaf, Naylor, and Wann sum it up in their definition of “affluenza”: “a painful, contagious, socially transmitted condition of overload, debt, anxiety, and waste resulting from the dogged pursuit of more.” Americans’ profligate spending has dug them into a hole from which they may never climb out. Or so say the critics.

* * *

The over-consumption story gets a big boost from current economic data. First, families have more money to spend. The typical two-income family today earns nearly 75 percent more than their one-income parents earned a generation ago.

Family income rose not because men are, on average, making more money (they are not) but because millions of mothers decided to enter the work force. Over the course of a few decades, the change has been revolutionary. As recently as 1976 a married mother was more than twice as likely to stay home with her children as to work full-time; by 2000 she was half as likely. Today mothers are going back to work much sooner after their children are born. A mother with a three-month-old infant in 2001 was more likely to be working outside the home than a woman with a five-year-old child in the 1960s. And in 1965 only 21 percent of working women were back at their jobs within six months of giving birth to their first child. Today that figure is higher than 70 percent.

Compared with the families of the early 1970s, today’s have more to spend, and the data suggest they have done just that—spent it. Even as family incomes have risen dramatically over the past generation, the family savings have fallen.

But families are not just spending more of what they earn, they are also spending what they have not earned. A generation ago, the typical family owed about five percent of its annual income in consumer debt—non-mortgage debt such as car loans and credit cards. Today such debts add up to more than a third of total annual income.

The shift in spending patterns has taken a terrible toll on American families. Today there are five times as many families filing for bankruptcy as there were in the early 1980s. Home foreclosures have more than tripled in less than 25 years. Nearly half of families with credit cards report that they cannot afford to pay more than their minimum monthly payments. One in every three families with an income above $35,000 reports owing medical bills they cannot pay.

This financial distress hits the middle class hard. It is middle-class homeowners who lose their houses to foreclosure—people who once saved enough money for a down payment, who showed that they had steady enough incomes to make monthly payments, and who survived the most rigorous credit screen imposed in consumer financial markets. It is the people in the middle—not the richest or the poorest—who accumulate the most debt on their credit cards. It is these same people who seek relief in the bankruptcy courts.

These data compose a deeply disturbing picture. Tens of millions of American families—middle-class people with decent educations and respectable occupations—are living on the edge of a financial cliff. Some will hang on, and others will plunge over.

* * *

If families are making more money than ever and are still in financial trouble, surely the critics are right: Americans are overspending, then overborrowing, and then avoiding the consequences by declaring bankruptcy. But the data tell a different story.

For more than a century, the federal government has been collecting information on household spending. It is possible, for example, to find out how much Americans have spent annually on distilled spirits since the 1850s. Here our focus is on changes in spending over a single generation, sorted by spending categories and family size—adjusted for inflation, but not for the increase in family income. If the problem is that today’s families are blowing their paychecks on designer clothes and restaurant meals, then the data should show that more is being spent on these frivolous items than ever before.

Start with clothing. The stories of Americans overspending on clothing are familiar: the malls are overflowing, every teenage foot is clad by Adidas or Nike, and designer shops thrive selling nothing but underwear or sunglasses. Even clothing for little children now carries hip brand names, with babies sporting “Gap” and “YSL” on their T-shirts and sleepers.

And yet, when all is added up—including the Tommy sweatshirts and the Ray-Ban sunglasses—a family of four spends, on average, 21 percent less on clothing today than in the early 1970s, according to our analysis of data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

How can this be? What the finger-waggers have forgotten are the things families no longer spend money on. There’s no more rushing off to Stride Rite every three months to buy two new pairs of sensible leather shoes per child (one for church and one for the week), plus a pair of sneakers for play. Today’s toddlers often own nothing but a pair of five-dollar tennis shoes from Wal-Mart. Suits, ties, and pantyhose have been replaced by cotton trousers and knit tops, as “business casual” has swept the nation. New fabrics, new technology, and cheap labor have lowered prices. Discounters like Marshall’s and Target have popped up across the country, replacing the department stores of a generation ago. The differences add up. In 1973 a family of four would spend, on average, nearly $750 more a year on clothing than such a family would today.

If Americans are not overspending on clothes, the problem must be food. Designer brands have also hit the grocery shelves, with far more prepared foods, high-end ice creams, and exotic juices. Families even buy bottled water, which would have shocked their grandparents. Besides, who cooks at home anymore? With Mom and Dad both tied up at work, Americans are eating out (or ordering in) more than ever before.

Here the over-consumption camp has it right, but only to a point. The family of four, on average, spends more at restaurants than it used to, but it also spends less at the grocery store—a lot less. Families are saving big bucks by skipping the T-bone steaks, buying their cereal in bulk at Costco, and opting for generic paper towels and canned vegetables. Those savings more than compensate for all that restaurant eating—so much so that today’s family of four is actually spending 22 percent less on food overall than its counterpart of a generation ago.

Outfitting the home? The authors of Affluenza rail against appliances “that were deemed luxuries as recently as 1970, but are now found in well over half of U.S. homes, and thought of by a majority of Americans as necessities: dishwashers, clothes dryers, central heating and air conditioning, color and cable TV.” These gadgets may have captured a new place in Americans’ hearts, but they aren’t taking much from our wallets. Manufacturing costs are down, and durability is up. When the microwave oven, dishwasher, and clothes dryer are considered together with the refrigerator, washing machine, and stove, families are actually spending 44 percent less on major appliances today than they were a generation ago. Furniture may now be leather and super-sized, but its cost has shrunk—by 30 percent in a single generation.

What about cars? At first glance it would seem that the family car might just shatter the case against the over-consumption story. Cars now come jam-packed with features that no one had even dreamed of a generation ago. And cars cost more than ever. In the words of a Toyota salesman quoted in Affluenza, “People’s expectations are much higher. They want amenities—power steering, power brakes as standard, premium sound systems.” At last, a big-ticket item that proves that Americans are indeed indulging in extravagances they can ill afford.

A new car today costs, on average, more than $22,000, compared with less than $16,000 in the late 1970s. The critics might point a triumphant finger, but they would be overlooking an important fact. Cars also last longer than they used to. In the late 1970s, the average age of a car on the road was just five and a half years. Now the average age is more than eight years. Today’s families pay more for their new car than their parents did, but they hold onto it longer too. In fact, when we analyzed unpublished data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, we found that the average amount a family of four spends per car (including insurance, maintenance and so forth) is 20 percent less than it was a generation ago. For all the griping about those overpriced SUVs, there is little evidence that sunroofs and power windows are sending families to the poorhouse.

The over-consumption camp might still argue that families could have saved by buying cheaper cars. After all, a family doesn’t need a new SUV with a CD player, at least not in the same way that it needs decent day care or a home in a safe neighborhood. But we pause here to offer a bit of sympathy for the much-maligned buyer of the family car. The car industry’s song has changed pitch over the past generation. Glance at an advertisement from any maker of family cars, and there you’ll see the new message: safety for sale. The following testimonial is featured on Volvo’s Web site: “The driver of the truck lost control of his vehicle and hit me and my wife, who was five months pregnant. . . . There was much talk that ‘the Volvo had saved our lives’ and I’m convinced it did.” Sure, maybe families could do without the twelve-speaker sound systems, but we wouldn’t ask them to do without the automatic brake systems, the crash-resistant steel frames, or the dual airbags that they can get only on newer cars.

Safety standards have changed, with a real effect on the family pocketbook—and this is particularly tough for families with more than two kids. Jane Stewart, a stay-at-home mom interviewed by a parenting magazine, described the consequences of having three children under the age of five. According to many experts, the Stewarts should harness those three kids in the back seat—not just with a seat belt, but into a bulky car seat or “booster seat” designed especially for children—until they are at least eight years old. Stewart explained, “We have a Grand Cherokee and three car seats in the back. When the baby needs [the next-size car seat], we don’t think all three will fit. Then it will be time for a Suburban or a minivan.” A generation ago, the Stewarts could have fit their kids into the back seat of any sedan on the market, with room left over for the family dog. Today, even a Jeep Grand Cherokee—a car that weighs 4,000 pounds—is not big enough. The critics may be right that families don’t need all those gizmos in their cars, but they should pause to remember that when transporting children, safety and space have become intertwined.

By and large, families have spent prudently on their cars, or at least as prudently as they did a generation ago. And the money they are spending is paying off: the rate of child auto fatalities has declined steadily since the mid-1970s, thanks at least in part to safer cars and better car seats. For all the criticism hurled at car manufacturers (and car buyers), it is important to note that families drive stronger, safer, more durable cars than they used to.

This is not to say that middle-class families never waste money. A generation ago no one had cable, big-screen televisions were reserved for the very rich, and DVD and TiVo didn’t exist. So how much more do families spend today on “home entertainment,” premium channels included? They spend 23 percent more—an extra $170 annually. Computers add another $300 to the annual family budget. But even that increase looks a little different in the context of other spending. The extra money spent on cable, electronics, and computers is more than offset by families’ savings on major appliances and household furnishings.

In fact, when all the numbers are added up, an increase in one category of spending is generally offset by a decrease in another. On average, a family today spends more on airline travel than it did a generation ago, but less on dry cleaning. More on telephone services, but less on tobacco. More on pets, but less on carpets. All in all, there seems to be about as much frivolous spending today as there was a generation ago.

Whether families are spending more than they should according to some moral notion—consuming too much of the world’s resources or buying things they could easily live without—is not the issue at hand. These data give us no clue about the right amount of spending. But they give us powerful evidence that excessive consumption is not why families are going broke. There is no evidence of any “epidemic” of overspending—certainly nothing that could explain a 255 percent increase in the foreclosure rate, a 430 percent increase in the bankruptcy rolls, and a 570 percent increase in credit-card debt. A growing number of families are in terrible financial trouble, but despite the accusations, their frivolity is not to blame.

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If middle-class families have more money and aren’t spending themselves into oblivion for the sake of designer water and DVDs, how did they get into so much financial trouble?

The answer begins with the most expensive and most important thing most Americans will ever buy: a home. Homes define the lives of the children who grow up within them. A home’s location determines whether there will be computers in the classrooms, sidewalks to ride bikes on, and a safe front yard to play in. And a home will consume more of the family’s income than any other purchase—more than food, more than cars, more than health insurance, more than child care. (Because the overwhelming majority of middle-class families are homeowners, this discussion focuses on the costs of owning rather than of renting.)

Everyone knows that people spend a lot more on homes than they used to. But what is easy to forget is that today’s prices are not the product of some clear demographic force. Quite the opposite: in the late 1980s, several commentators predicted the spectacular collapse of the housing market. They reasoned that because the baby boomers were about to become empty nesters, pressure on the housing market would soon abate, and prices would reverse their 40-year upward trend and drop during the 1990s and 2000s by anywhere from ten to 47 percent.

The over-consumption die-hards are clearing their throats, eager to interrupt to explain that American families are spending more on their houses because they are shallow and materialistic. Where did so many people get this impression? Perhaps from the much-ballyhooed fact that the average size of a new home has increased by nearly 40 percent over the past generation (although it is still less than 2,200 square feet). But this statistic tells us only that real-estate developers have decided that building McMansions for the rich is more profitable than building Levittowns.

In fact, the size and amenities of the average middle-class family home have increased only modestly. The median owner-occupied home grew from 5.7 rooms in 1975 to 6.1 rooms in the late 1990s—an increase of less than half of a room in more than two decades. What was this half a room used for? Was it an “exercise room,” a “media room,” or any of the other exotic uses of space that critics have so widely mocked? Nope. The data show that most often that extra room was a second bathroom or a third bedroom.

The wealthy may be living in spacious new digs, but middle-class families are not. The proportion of families living in older homes has increased by nearly 50 percent over the past generation, leaving a growing number of homeowners grappling with deteriorating roofs, peeling paint, and old wiring. Today, nearly six out of ten families own a home that is more than 25 years old, and nearly a quarter own a home that is more than 50 years old.

Even as middle-class living conditions have improved only modestly, the burden of paying for a home has increased dramatically. Over a generation, the average number of rooms in a home increased by seven percent as average mortgage expenses increased by 69 percent—at a time when other family expenses were falling. The impact of rising mortgage costs has been huge. The proportion of families who are “house-poor”—that is, who spend more than 35 percent of their incomes on housing—has quadrupled in a single generation. Today it often takes two working people to support a mortgage. A police officer or elementary-school teacher earning an average salary could not afford to pay the mortgage of a median-priced home in two thirds of the nation’s metropolitan areas.

Why such a staggering increase in the cost of housing? That is a long, separate discussion, but one point is worth underlining here: when a family buys a house, it buys much more than shelter from the rain. It also buys a public-school system. Everyone has heard news stories about kids who can’t read, classrooms without textbooks, and drug dealers and gang violence in school corridors. Failing schools impose an enormous cost on the children who are forced to attend them, but they also impose an enormous cost on those who don’t.

Talk with an average middle-class parent in any major metropolitan area, and she’ll describe the time, money, and effort she devoted to finding a slot in a decent school. In some cases, the story will be about mastering the system. In others, it will be about leaving the public-school system altogether and opting, as middle-class parents have increasingly done, for private, parochial, or home schooling. But private schools and strategic maneuvering will only help a minority of families. For most middle-class parents, ensuring that their children get a decent education means buying a home in the small subset of well-reputed school districts.

A 2000 study conducted in Fresno, California, (population 400,000) found that, for similar homes, school quality was the single most important determinant of neighborhood prices—more important than racial composition, commute distance, crime rate, or proximity to a hazardous-waste site. A 1999 study conducted in suburban Boston showed that two homes less than half a mile apart and similar in nearly every aspect would command significantly different prices if they were in different elementary-school zones. Schools that scored just five percent higher than other local schools on fourth-grade math and reading tests added a premium of nearly $4,000 to nearby homes.

Consider University City, the West Philadelphia neighborhood surrounding the University of Pennsylvania. In an effort to improve the area, the university committed funds for a new elementary school. The results? At the time of the announcement, in 1998, the median home value in the area was less than $60,000. Five years later, according to The Philadelphia Inquirer, “homes within the boundaries go for about $200,000, even if they need to be totally renovated.” The neighborhood is otherwise pretty much the same: the same commute to work, the same distance from the freeways, the same old houses. And yet, in five years families are willing to pay more than triple the price for a home, just so they can send their kids to a better public elementary school.

This phenomenon is not new, but the pressure has intensified considerably. In the early 1970s, not only did most Americans believe that the public schools were functioning reasonably well, but a sizable majority of adults thought that public education had actually improved since they were kids. Today, only a small minority of Americans share this optimistic view. The majority believes that schools have gotten significantly worse. Fully half of all Americans are dissatisfied with America’s public-education system, a deep concern shared by black and white parents alike.

Choosing the right school is not only a matter of finding the best teachers but also the safest environment. No community can protect itself completely from school violence, but the statistics show that poorer districts are more likely to encounter it than wealthier districts. According to one study, the incidence of serious violent crime—such as robbery, rape, or attack with a weapon—is more than three times higher in schools with very poor students than in those with predominantly middle- and upper-income students. Often, the crime rate is higher in a city than in its suburbs. For example, a person is ten times more likely to be murdered in Center City Philadelphia than in its suburbs and 12 times more likely to be murdered in central Baltimore than in its suburbs. The overall odds may remain low, but the comparison is chilling.

Perhaps the strongest evidence that parents’ concern for their children’s welfare has driven their spending is the relative changes in housing prices for parents and non-parents. The federal government has not reported the data for the full 30-year period we have been examining, but looking at the period from 1984 to 2001 we see that housing prices for families with at least one minor child at home grew at a rate three times that of other families.

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Apart from high mortgages, three other major types of expenses are worth singling out as new burdens for the middle class. We have considered one of them already: the higher cost of cars. Yes, the per-car cost has dropped, but with Mom joining the work force and families living farther than ever from city centers, the second car has become essential for many. The family on average now spends an additional $4,000 every year to buy, lease, and maintain all its cars.

The rising cost of health care has also taken a bite out of the family budget, even for healthy families. In one generation, the average out-of-pocket cost of employer-subsidized health insurance has jumped by about 90 percent. And a growing number of families are offered no employer-subsidized health insurance at all; they must either buy health insurance on the open market or forgo it altogether. In recent years, the number of middle-class families with no health insurance has grown precipitously.

One last inescapable expense is taxes. With two people in the work force and a higher income, today’s median-earning family pays more in taxes. Indeed, here’s where the adjusted-for-inflation comparison of families across generations paints a misleading picture. Families making less back in the early 1970s were paying less in taxes; today, inflation has also pushed them into a higher income bracket, and they are paying more in sales taxes, property taxes, Medicare, and a host of other taxes.The total tax burden for today’s two-income family is about 38 percent larger than that of their one-income counterparts of a generation ago.

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The over-consumption story dominates every discussion of the financial condition of America’s families, but when all the changes in family spending over the past generation are added up, a very different picture emerges. Families are spending less on luxuries and more on the basics of being middle-class. Even with two people in the work force, today’s families trail those of a generation ago in the struggle to make ends meet—to pay for their homes, health insurance, transportation, and child care.

But the new family budget is notable for another reason: it is far more deeply leveraged. A generation ago, the one-income family committed about 54 percent of its pay to the basics—housing, health insurance, transportation, and taxes. That is, the one-income family spent about half its income to make the “nut”—the basic expenses that must be paid even if someone gets sick or loses a job. Today, these basic expenses, including child care so that both parents can work, consume 75 percent of the family’s combined income. With 75 percent of income earmarked for fixed expenses, today’s family has no margin for error. There is no way to cut back if one person’s working hours are cut or if the other gets laid off. There is no room in the budget if someone needs to take a few months off to care for Grandma, or if someone hurts his back and can’t work. The modern American family is walking on a high wire without a net; they pray there won’t be any wind. If all goes well, they will make it across safely: their children will grow up and finish college, and they will move on to retirement. But if anything—anything at all—goes wrong, they are in big, big trouble.

The expenses laid out here are averages, and plenty of families manage to pay less. But the low-cost alternatives are few and often risky. Consider child care. Government statistics show that the average amount a family of four spends on after-school care is lower than the $4,350 cited above. The number reported here is calculated from the reports of families who pay for their child care, but the government includes children who have a grandmother or an older sibling who watches them for free. This is a great way for those lucky families to save some money, but it is not an option for most families. For them, lower cost means lower quality of care—an unlicensed neighbor who parks several children in front of her television or an overcrowded center with barely passable facilities. And the cost of child care is rising—by 19 percent from 2000 to 2003 alone.

There are other ways families could save money. They could live without health insurance and pray for the best (as do millions). Or they could give up the house and move into an apartment in a marginal neighborhood. There are always options, but for families with children, these options signal that their middle-class lives are slipping away.

If all goes well, many families will squeak by. They will even get a breather when their children are old enough to be left alone after school. But when the first child heads off to college, the family’s budget will be squeezed harder than ever as they search for the money to cover room, board, and tuition at the local state university. If they are lucky, they will have set something aside during the intervening years, and they will find a way to put their kids through college. And when they hit their mid-to-late 50s, these couples may begin to think about putting something away for their retirement—30 years later than a financial planner would recommend.

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Why does the over-consumption myth persist? Why does a story of misbehavior and irresponsibility win out over a story of hard-working people who get caught up in job losses, medical debts, and family breakups? Why is there no acknowledgement that financial misfortune is often a matter of bad luck, and that the long lines at the bankruptcy courts and the high rates of credit-card default have little to do with irresponsible spending?

One explanation is political. High-interest credit-card issuers and sub-prime-mortgage lenders operate only because a careful combination of deregulation and protective regulation permits creditors to charge fees and interest rates that would have landed them in jail less than 25 years ago. If millions of Americans believed that families were losing their homes because of deceptive marketing and oppressive contract terms, there would be a public outcry to change the regulations that favor banks over consumers. But as long as Americans believe that the only people in financial trouble are the spendthrifts, there is no reason to restrict the lenders. Everyone is getting just what he deserves.

Here is how the political maneuvering over the bankruptcy laws has unfolded. For many families with extremely high unpaid debts, their only remedy is personal bankruptcy. When families declare bankruptcy, federal law requires that their credit-card issuers and payday lenders cease collection, and the debts will most likely be discharged. The credit industry drafted a long series of amendments to the bankruptcy laws, amendments that make it more expensive to file, exclude more families from protections, and scale back relief.

The bill received widespread support in Congress, carefully couched in tones of moral condemnation. Senator Hatch, for example, insisted that individuals must “take personal responsibility for their debts.” Hatch probably wasn’t thinking of the medical debts that pile up when someone gets sick and has no health insurance. He wasn’t thinking of the money it takes to pay for food, clothes, or electricity when someone loses his job. When Hatch talks about people who “run up huge bills and then expect society to pay for them,”he is speaking the language of the over-consumption myth.

Senator Hatch may be motivated by a desire to help his strong financial supporters in the consumer-credit industry, but his reasons may also be ideological. The idea that families are in financial trouble because they spend irresponsibly is deeply intertwined with the politics of personal responsibility. This ideology is seductive, and has even moved conservatives who generally believe in restricting government powers to embrace changes to the bankruptcy laws that expand government intervention to help private lenders. By occupying bankruptcy courts with a debtor-by-debtor analysis of earning and spending, these politicians hope to issue a warning to other families not to spend wastefully.

The advancement of an ideology can also be bought from less sympathetic politicians through campaign contributions, as an analysis by the Princeton political scientists Steven Nunez and Howard Rosenthal has shown. In examining a credit-industry-supported amendment to the bankruptcy laws, Nunez and Rosenthal argue that support for the bankruptcy bill among Republicans was largely a matter of ideology. Among Democrats, they conclude that there was a significant correlation between votes and campaign contributions. (Nunez and Rosenthal also recognize that the issue of middle-class bankruptcy maps only approximately onto liberal and conservative ideology, and that therefore the public acceptance of the over-consumption myth could have powerful effects: “If public opinion tilts toward a view that it is necessary to discipline a minority of profligate, strategic debtors, then the industry bill should attract broad support.”)

The credit industry has good reason to spend money to influence changes in bankruptcy law. Over the past decade, investor profits on credit-card debt have outstripped every other form of lending—even after all the bad debt and bankruptcy losses are taken into account. A multi-billion-dollar wealth transfer has, in fact, taken place, but not the one the credit-card industry claims. Families that have lost jobs, families that have no health insurance, and families that have split apart through divorce or death have paid billions to credit-card companies and their investors. And it is worth noting that across the United States, half of all families have not one dollar of savings put aside for their retirements, and 73 percent have not one dollar in the stock market. Paying dearly for consumer credit has not created a wealth transfer within the middle class, but rather a transfer from working families to upper-income families.

Politics and ideology help to sell the over-consumption myth, but perhaps it also survives because it is comforting. The families who fall into financial ruin are ordinary. Their circumstances are ordinary: job loss, medical problems, and family breakups are cited in nearly 90 percent of bankruptcies. Perhaps the over-consumption myth is a prayer. It nourishes the idea that families who have lost their financial footing are different from us. If we can believe that those in serious trouble are morally suspect, it is easier to glance away from the dangers of everyday life. Those of us who clip grocery coupons, who would never buy $200 sneakers, and who always buy in bulk are surely protected from the sudden jolt that sends people reeling out of the middle class. Thus we avoid that terrifying moment of connection with a person caught in a financial disaster, that frightening realization: there but for the grace of God go I.

The over-consumption myth may be little more than a fairy tale, but it has the power to maroon families—both emotionally and financially—just when they most need support. And it has the power to distract attention from people’s real vulnerabilities. Changes are needed to increase the safety of the middle class; even m

1/26/2006 6:21 PM  
Blogger mtnrunner2 said...

elizabth - great article! I read Affluenza, but the information about the higher cost of living was new to me. Why have we not read this before? Do you have a link to the article or more articles on this topic?

1/26/2006 7:24 PM  
Blogger Wes D said...

"Me: No, I just spend less than I make."

Ahh, what a novel idea. Congratulations. Freedom is being free from debt. I shall be shortly.

1/26/2006 8:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess I put my little bit in.

I have been told that if people were like me, there would be no economy.

I guess some would say I am a cheap skate, but, I really like money and not so much things.

I enjoy finding ways of being frugal and creative.

Interstingly, those who say I am cheap are broke. No money. I put away more than half of my income each month, no loans or debts. Nobody wants to steal my beater, not good enough I think.

So, what to do with that money, time will tell, that is, when an opportunity of good value arises, that is when I will strike.

Housing market now is lilke buying a chocolate bar for $1,000.00
Sure I can pay it, but bad investment.

Also, I do enjoy no stress, no debts, no sleep deprivation, no material clutter, and money in the bank.

Sweet!

Northerngirl

1/26/2006 8:08 PM  
Blogger Out at the peak said...

Northerngirl: I love your style. I am frugal and my friends bash me on it too.

I do have some luxuries, but they are limited.

1/26/2006 8:54 PM  
Blogger San Francisco Renter said...

Northerngirl I think I love you. Can you maybe spend some spend some of your time trying to convince more of Womankind not to only go after guys who will spend unlimited amounts of money on them? You would accumulate massive Karma points for performing this magnanimous service for the single men of Earth. Northerngirl I think I love you...

1/26/2006 8:57 PM  
Blogger Out at the peak said...

junk mail anon:
The lending standards are top notch, no? I think they forgot "coma state and no pulse, okay."

If you refinance, it will not stop the junk mail. It made no difference to me when I went from a 7 year balloon to 30 year fixed (2003).

1/26/2006 9:35 PM  
Blogger B. Durbin said...

mtnrunner2:

The "article" elizabeth cited sounds very much like the inroduction to The Two Income Trap by Elizabeth Warren and Amelia Warren Tyagi. It's an excellent book and one I highly recommend, because though it is a descriptive book, in that it outlines the problems very well, it can also be used as a proscriptive book, as in "these are the pitfalls to watch out for, perhaps I should avoid them."

If elizabeth typed that in, kudos. If elizabeth is Elizabeth Warren, I say Wow.

1/26/2006 9:49 PM  
Blogger Arioch said...

OT

Was driving home from work today and heard an ad on the radio.

Centex is doing a $70k off sale saturday here in Vegas, in ALL development communities. Looks like they're trying to dump everything they can as fast as they can.

One bit I noticed in the ad is that you can purchase one of their "prebuilt, ready to move in homes".

I interpret that as inventory not moving.

Real Estate is a bubble, Centex is a pin...

1/27/2006 12:19 AM  
Blogger mmatty said...

I have been searching for real estaet information on blogs. I recently went through foreclosure on 650k home. I had 2 mtgs, although the real problem was with the bankruptcy of two family businesses. Part of the problem was living check to check. I now have a very strict family budget. I have also since secured a land contract through a local builder I knew. My area in Michigan is going through a downturn in the real estate market. Michigan continues to lose manufacturing, jobs, etc.

I make decent money but I have very little to invest. Any suggestions or other websites to visit to educate myself on how to capitalize on local downturn in market. I've already been @#$ over in the market, now I want to work it to my advantage.

1/27/2006 7:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Elizabeth,

interesting, I read bits here and there.

Cars are an interesting phenomenon.

"Cars now come jam-packed with features that no one had even dreamed of a generation ago."

Yes, what are we going to do with all those features? Traffic had become a science as in predicting others driving behaviours.

So driving, if you want to stay healthy and working, demands all attention, therefore no time to piddle around with all the features.

Simplify your life and you dont need so many features.
The less features, the fewer things to break down.

Ahaa, I just figured it out. By adding more "features", more things can break down, the more they can earn on fixing your car.

Wave of the day.

northerngirl

1/27/2006 10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Overconsumption is a myth? Not in Orange County, CA.

Anyway, even if Americans spent the same today as they did 50 years ago, there is a key difference. Fifty years ago people were spending cash. Today, people are spending money they don't yet have.

The difference between saving cash for a purchase and using credit is typically insignificant in terms of time (e.g., save for 6 month or purchase now), but the credit consumer is hit with an "impulse tax" in the form of credit card interest that significantly reduces an individual's purchasing power, while increasing the financial burden.

Considering that the average American carries a credit debt of over $8,500 the amount of interest paid is staggering. While many cite lifestyle as a reason for racking up debt, it is clear that consumers would have MORE spending power if they weren't paying their hard earned money to credit card companies.

1/27/2006 2:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm the homeowner/seller/FB/non-FB that socalmtgguy posted my letters last week. I want to thank everyone for their stories, advice, and even the constructive criticism and name-calling, which is, admittedly, part of the dialogue wherever you go, online or off.

We had our baby earlier yesterday morning, a girl, and I got a job, albeit back in the title industry. It gets me through until we can get the house all settled. Thanks again for the dialogue.

1/28/2006 8:02 AM  
Blogger Wickedheart said...

"Overconsumption is a myth? Not in Orange County, CA."

And not here in San Diego either. Every person I've known who has filed for bankruptcy living way above their means was the problem. I cannot think one person, not even one where this wasn't the case.

"...it is clear that consumers would have MORE spending power if they weren't paying their hard earned money to credit card companies."

Exactly, I said the same thing to my SIL years ago. I told her I don't buy anything unless it's on sale and that I want to pay 20% less not pay 20% more.

1/28/2006 8:41 AM  
Blogger Karen said...

Congratulations Anon! You have my best wishes.

1/28/2006 6:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mmatty already has been f**ked over and he wants to leverage it too his advantage?

Listen...I live in Michigan too. The worst is yet to come. I'm guessing you're young...don't remember the 70's and early 80's. You're looking to double your trouble. Sure as shit. Visteon..Delphi...GM...Ford...what you think happens in Michigan when the full affect of ANNOUNCED layoffs are felt? Remember, there is a lag time.

1/28/2006 9:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I live in a house I bought in 1993 for 68k. Its worth twice that much now. Wow. Big deal. My tax burden is miniscule. I probably make MUCH less than 95% of the people on this board. I probably got a net worth more than 95% of this board. How is that possible? I wasn't willing to be poor a long time to feel rich for a little while. I invested in stocks, bonds, artwork(and when G.W.Bush got elected) Gold. I live a stress free life. I could make my mortage working at Mickey D's as an "assistant" manager if I had too. None of this was ever really complicated. I freaking amazes how Americans put themselves in a position to lose it all with the grace of Leon Spinks. America..the purportedly most Christian of nations...whose real God is Mammon.

1/28/2006 9:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In today’s San Francisco Chronicle:

Homeowners are superior to renters

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2006/01/29/REG8SGSU7I1.DTL

1/29/2006 8:26 AM  
Blogger WArenter said...

Anon -
Congrats on the baby girl. I hope everything works out well for you and your family.

1/29/2006 2:07 PM  

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